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What's the meaning of "wooden loaf", the famous expression used by Gandhi to define the Independence of India?

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00:00 What'S The Meaning Of &Quot;Wooden Loaf&Quot;, The Famous Expression Used By Gandhi To Define Th
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01:09 Answer 2 Score 10
01:50 Accepted Answer Score 34
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ACCEPTED ANSWER

Score 34


This is not a one off, nor is the meaning so simple. But it looks like Gandhi himself clarified what he meant when he said it. The London Review has different wording, with ladoos, an Indian pastry:

Of the independence which India sought and achieved, Gandhi said in June 1947: ‘This is like eating wooden ladoos; if they eat it they die of colic; if they don’t they starve.’

Towards a National System of Education has the quote with "wooden loaf", explaining that it is "a well-known Gujarati metaphor". Likely both of those are translations, with "loaf" being the looser, easier-to-understand one. According to The Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi, Volume 088, the source of the quote is Bihar Pachhi Dilhi (or બિહાર પછી દિલ્હી, Gujarati for "Delhi after Bihar" according to Google Translate).

That it is well known seems true; here's the story (metaphor?) in a completely different context:

Ranjit: So there is the story where golden, wooden ladoos [sweets] are made and they have a very nice colour. Someone says, "Oh, if you eat them you will lose all your teeth." But still he says, "They're very attractive! I want to eat them." He knows they are made from wood and that he might lose his teeth, but he can't help it.

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And this:

Marriage is like a wooden laddu (ball-shaped sweet): if you bite into it you get splinters in your mouth, but if you don’t bite into it you spend the rest of your life wondering how it must have tasted.

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And another about marriage:

There is a saying: “The one who eats the wooden ladoo regrets doing so, but so does the one who does not eat it.”

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ANSWER 2

Score 10


Gandhi, denouncing freedom from the imperial rule as a “wooden loaf” had remained in Calcutta, trying, with the force of his moral authority, to stop Hindus and Muslims from killing each other. (source)

Just to add that Gandhi defined freedom from the imperial rule acquired through violence as a wooden loaf (that is, of no real use) to show that the result of violence will not make much difference to the level of poverty in India. He used this argument in his attempt to stop violence. In his view nonviolence could achieve much more:

"Progress requires peace. Progress requires the defeat of those who divide society on the basis of class, caste or religion." (quote from Gandhi - mattersindia)




ANSWER 3

Score 7


I'm not sure this belongs here, as it is probably a nonce (not a recognized expression). In this case what was intended:

"As Gandhi said, as long as poverty exists, freedom is a wooden loaf. To remove poverty is the greatest task faced by any government."

-the Business-Standard

As I understand Gandhiji, "freedom" in and of itself would not put real food in the bellies of the poor...

We mostly forget the intensity of the famines happening in those days...entire populations were disappearing for drought and famine.




ANSWER 4

Score 1


A "wooden loaf" is simply a useless object. It is not a real thing. There are many such imaginary objects in the English language but you can also make up your own (as Ghandi may have done here). Usage is often of the form: "He is as useless as a chocolate teapot." or "It is as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike.".

In this case, a loaf (of bread) would obviously be useful to a starving person but not a "wooden loaf".